audiolaik
Senior Member
Poland
Polish
- Jul 16, 2008
- #1
Hello,
I was wondering which preposition should be used with the noun retirement:
go on retirement
OR
go for retirement
By the way, if both were acceptable, would there be any differences in meaning?
Thank you!
M
Monkey F B I
Senior Member
Acton, MA
English - USA
- Jul 16, 2008
- #2
I wouldn't really use either.
To say "Go on retirement" would imply that retiring is temporary and that one will soon return to work. To say "Go for retirement" really has no use that I can think of.
What's the context?
Nunty
Senior Member
Jerusalem
Hebrew-US English (bilingual)
- Jul 16, 2008
- #3
I agree with Monkey FBI. In AE, I would just say "retire", the verb.
audiolaik
Senior Member
Poland
Polish
- Jul 16, 2008
- #4
Monkey F B I said:
What's the context?
To tell you the truth, there is no context....All right, I can come up with the following situtation:
Two people bump into each other in the street; they have not seen each other for a long time.
Person1: You look horrible. Is it your job?
Person2: Yes, I am fed up with it!
Person1: You are not young anymore. I think you should go.............. retirement.
I do not want to use the verb retire; I need a preposition with the noun.
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xqby
Senior Member
Oxnard, CA
English (U.S.)
- Jul 16, 2008
- #5
In the sense of "to not work anymore" neither of them is really idiomatic.
"Frank is going to go on retirement." <- Huh?
"Frank is going to go on retirement pay." <- Adjective form, but Frank is going to retire and take a pension.
"Frank is going to go for retirement." <- It is going to be Frank's goal to retire.
"Frank is going to retire." <- Yay!
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envie de voyager
Senior Member
Niagara Falls, Canada
english-canadian
- Jul 16, 2008
- #6
Person1: You are not young anymore. I think you should ............... retirement.
Try these:
Person1: You are not young anymore. I think you should consider retirement.
Person1: You are not young anymore. I think you should think about retirement.
Person1: You are not young anymore. I think you should plan your retirement.
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Monkey F B I
Senior Member
Acton, MA
English - USA
- Jul 16, 2008
- #7
audiolaik said:
To tell you the truth, there is no context....All right, I can come up with the following situtation:
Two people bump into each other in the street; they have not seen each other for a long time.
Person1: You look horrible. Is it your job?
Person2: Yes, I am fed up with it!
Person1: You are not young anymore. I think you should ............... retirement.I do not want to use the verb retire; I need a preposition with the noun.
I suppose in that specific case you could say "plan on retiring", but I'd really just recommend using "retire".
Then again, you could also do "I think you should consider retirement"
audiolaik
Senior Member
Poland
Polish
- Jul 16, 2008
- #8
So, neither on nor for sounds idiomatic, right?
M
Monkey F B I
Senior Member
Acton, MA
English - USA
- Jul 16, 2008
- #9
audiolaik said:
So, neither on nor for sounds idiomatic, right?
Right. "For" doesn't make sense and "on" implies that it's a vacation.
Loob
Senior Member
English UK
- Jul 16, 2008
- #10
I think "go for" would make sense in your sentence, audio: it would mean something like "try for", or "apply for".
"Go on" would only work in very specific contexts eg "he went on early retirement" = "he left the company on early retirement terms".
Why do you need a verb+preposition+noun combination instead of the verb "to retire"?
audiolaik
Senior Member
Poland
Polish
- Jul 16, 2008
- #11
Loob said:
Why do you need a verb+preposition+noun combination instead of the verb "to retire"?
Just to satisfy my curiosity....
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Monkey F B I
Senior Member
Acton, MA
English - USA
- Jul 16, 2008
- #12
Loob said:
I think "go for" would make sense in your sentence, audio: it would mean something like "try for", or "apply for".
From what I can tell, the meaning that he is trying to achieve is simply "retire". If he were to say "go for retirement", it seems almost as if retirement is a goal for his future.
sdgraham
Senior Member
Oregon, USA
USA English
- Jul 16, 2008
- #13
I think you're misguided by the fact that some European languages other than English use the 'on' preposition.
Thomas1
Senior Member
polszczyzna warszawska
- Jul 16, 2008
- #14
My dictionary gives an example of a verb plus retirement, which perhaps is what you're looking for by comparsion to our native tongue (though we use a preposition too), Audio:
She took early retirement (=retired at an earlier age than usual) last year.
Longman Doctionary of Contemporary English
I also think one would say:
to live in retirement (verb + preposition + retirement).
Tom
audiolaik
Senior Member
Poland
Polish
- Jul 16, 2008
- #15
sdgraham said:
I think you're misguided by the fact that some European languages other than English use the 'on' preposition.
Could you expand on the issue a little bit more, please?
EDIT: to Thomas1: Yes, I have checked some dictionaries; however, none of them suggests on or for. But if you google both on and for, you get quite a reasonable number of hits. (The for version seems to be by far more popular.)
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xqby
Senior Member
Oxnard, CA
English (U.S.)
- Jul 16, 2008
- #16
audiolaik said:
But if you google both on and for, you get quite a big number of hits.
This is misleading, because most of them are going to be for the adjective form.
"He lives on retirement pay."
"Read this for retirement advice."
audiolaik
Senior Member
Poland
Polish
- Jul 16, 2008
- #17
xqby said:
This is misleading, because most of them are going to be for the adjective form.
"He lives on retirement pay."
"Read this for retirement advice."
Have you checked that, xqby?
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Monkey F B I
Senior Member
Acton, MA
English - USA
- Jul 16, 2008
- #18
audiolaik said:
Have you checked that, xqby?
I just checked. "On retirement" on Google most commonly refers to "on the subject of retirement". "For retirement" refers to the preparation for retirement.
audiolaik
Senior Member
Poland
Polish
- Jul 16, 2008
- #19
Monkey F B I said:
I just checked. "On retirement" on Google most commonly refers to "on the subject of retirement". "For retirement" refers to the preparation for retirement.
So, for is more likely to be the correct answer to my question than on, isn't it?
Loob
Senior Member
English UK
- Jul 16, 2008
- #20
Audio, there are lots of combinations which could have brought up google hits for "on retirement" or "for retirement".
But it remains true that there isn't a "go+preposition+retirement" combination that is the equivalent of "retire". And I can't think of any verb+preposition+"retirement" combination that would have that meaning.
Is your curiosity satisfied?
M
Monkey F B I
Senior Member
Acton, MA
English - USA
- Jul 16, 2008
- #21
audiolaik said:
So, for is more likely to be the correct answer to my question than on, isn't it?
Not necessarily, because it's not the meaning that you're trying to get. When I said the preparation for retirement, I meant the financial planning, etc.
audiolaik
Senior Member
Poland
Polish
- Jul 16, 2008
- #22
Loob said:
But it remains true that there isn't a "go+preposition+retirement" combination that is the equivalent of "retire". And I can't think of any verb+preposition+"retirement" combination that would have that meaning.
If you say so....
Loob said:
Is your curiosity satisfied?
Hmmm...That's a difficult question...another defeat...Where is the whip?
Thomas1
Senior Member
polszczyzna warszawska
- Jul 17, 2008
- #23
audiolaik said:
[...]
EDIT: to Thomas1: Yes, I have checked some dictionaries; however, none of them suggests on or for. But if you google both on and for, you get quite a reasonable number of hits. (The for version seems to be by far more popular.)
Well, I've just run a quick search and here are the results (Search English pages): They really aren't convincing to me. Tom
Results 211 - 213 of 213 English pages for "go on retirement" (here) Results 201 - 208 of 208 English pages for "go for retirement".(here)
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gasman
Senior Member
Canada, English
- Jul 17, 2008
- #24
After being retired since 1996-7(New Years Eve), I can say I have retired early, well not really, or I decided to retire, even decided to take the opportunity for retirement, but I don't believe I either decided to "go on retirement, or to "go for retirement". They are not a description I would use, nor do I think many others would either.
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Andreyevich
Member
Sydney, Australia
Australia/Britain - English
- Jul 17, 2008
- #25
How about: "I will go into retirement"
Or: "He went into retirement"
Loob
Senior Member
English UK
- Jul 17, 2008
- #26
I'd say this means "withdraw from the world" rather than "stop working and start drawing a retirement pension".
No?
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gasman
Senior Member
Canada, English
- Jul 17, 2008
- #27
"stop working and start drawing a retirement pension".
That is making an unfounded assumption. Not everyone, by any means, has the opportunity to be given a retirement pension. Those who are self employed have to provide for themselves.
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